Recently Avenger 1 was £92 IIRC. But with Avenger 2 quite recent it might be a while til those discounts are around again to be fair.
What workhorse synth would you buy if you couldn't get Omnisphere?
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- KVRAF
- 5508 posts since 25 Jan, 2007
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- KVRist
- 204 posts since 24 Nov, 2023
I am a long time user and fan of Omnisphere. I also either have or have deeply tried everything else you mentioned. Nothing beats Omnisphere because the samples are put together by Eric Persing who is the master of that.
However if you don't want to or can't spring for Omnisphere, my suggestion is to get HALion7
It's regular price for the full version and you want the full version is $349 but they usually run a sale in June
HALion7 comes with fantastic factory library of samples, and you can turn them into granular, Wavetables, and use the spectral engine to transform them into all sorts of things
You also get a very good VA engine, and FM-X which is a fantastic and powerful FM synth, as well as a ton of really good effects
However if you don't want to or can't spring for Omnisphere, my suggestion is to get HALion7
It's regular price for the full version and you want the full version is $349 but they usually run a sale in June
HALion7 comes with fantastic factory library of samples, and you can turn them into granular, Wavetables, and use the spectral engine to transform them into all sorts of things
You also get a very good VA engine, and FM-X which is a fantastic and powerful FM synth, as well as a ton of really good effects
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 219 posts since 15 Sep, 2023
Never even considered Halion as a non-cubase user. Never knew it had all those things, I thought it was just Steinberg's Kontakt.
I will demo that now. Still on the expensive side, but if it does all that well, that would be very very interesting.
Edit: Oof, that price, that is a lot... It does look pretty powerful, although the UI is a bit convoluted.
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- KVRist
- 438 posts since 11 Dec, 2020
Honestly I own Avenger, my advice just don't. You will be disappointedwayford wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 5:37 pmThanks for the suggestion!noiseboyuk wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 5:34 pm Perhaps the best bet therefore is Avenger in the next sale. It's certainly not like-for-like with Omni, but there is a half-decent selection of samples in there and some woweee engines to muck about with them. Pigments could be another option. Both of these are fun to program and use imo, and sound great. Avenger probably does analog better if that matters to you.
Avenger does seem like the perfect synth for me, but the "internet connection needed once in a while to prove license ownership" really bothers me. Where I live, internet connection can be a bit unstable sometimes, so I guess that's a no go for me. And it doesn't feel like you "own it" when you have to authorise it to prove you do several times a year.
Look after Falcon or Halion not colose to Omnisphere but complementary
It's FMLab. But it use some element from Montage FM-X
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 219 posts since 15 Sep, 2023
I guess at this point I wish I could create a synth of my own. Unfortunately, I do UI design, so I would need someone to write the code. Ugh, I just wish there was a company who would let me work on their existing synths and give them a new layout, workflow, design...
Sorry, got caught dreaming again lol. Well, one day dreams may become a reality!
People here are probably 3x my age...Maybe you know how I could eventually become a project lead in a company like Waves? Eh, that's too off-topic.
On the topic of the post, I guess I will try to find Pigments for around $45 (I'll just wait) and in the meantime save up for Omnisphere.
Sorry, got caught dreaming again lol. Well, one day dreams may become a reality!
People here are probably 3x my age...Maybe you know how I could eventually become a project lead in a company like Waves? Eh, that's too off-topic.
On the topic of the post, I guess I will try to find Pigments for around $45 (I'll just wait) and in the meantime save up for Omnisphere.
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- KVRist
- 91 posts since 26 Jul, 2023 from France
+ 1el-bo (formerly ebow) wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 6:22 pmIn your shoes, I'd try to get my head 'round Alchemy while saving for Omnisphere.
- KVRAF
- 7404 posts since 9 Jan, 2003 from Saint Louis MO
I'm not into workhorses, just exotic racehorses and horses that drink absinthe and write surrealist poetry.
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- KVRAF
- 2276 posts since 25 Sep, 2014 from Specific Northwest
Second on Elektra and Icarus. I think Markus also offers one of the best copy protection schemes out there.
I also like Hive and Rapid. You might take a gander at Zebra Legacy with its crapton of presets to see if you like the sound.
While I do like the overall sound of Omni, I find 99,9% of the presets to be unusable garbage and the interface too stifling to make my own. If you're a preset pack user, then this may not bother you.
I also like Hive and Rapid. You might take a gander at Zebra Legacy with its crapton of presets to see if you like the sound.
While I do like the overall sound of Omni, I find 99,9% of the presets to be unusable garbage and the interface too stifling to make my own. If you're a preset pack user, then this may not bother you.
I started on Logic 5 with a PowerBook G4 550Mhz. I now have a MacBook Air M1 and it's ~165x faster! So, why is my music not proportionally better?
- KVRAF
- 2309 posts since 10 Jul, 2008 from Orbit NE US
Nothing else comes with a sample set quite like Omni. It has a decent synthesis section, It sounds quite good. Falcon (which i didn't get on with but i may try again) has a more advanced synth section and can do about the same with samples but you would need to acquire them, which would likely mean spending money (and probably more money than the cost of Omni.) I found Omni many orders of magnitude easier to work with than Falcon. As noiseboyuk commented.
Another option that i'm not familiar with is Halion. Halion7 as IvyBirds points out above.I've seen it described as a monster of sampling and synthesis (like the other two) but also a steep learning curve. As a first choice i might choose Omnisphere (although i sometimes wish for the more advanced synthesis of Falcon). all my opinion.
Lastly i would take the advice of el-bo and dig into Alchemy. I have V1 (PC), is one of my favorites. It is immensely powerful and easy to use (for me).
Another option that i'm not familiar with is Halion. Halion7 as IvyBirds points out above.I've seen it described as a monster of sampling and synthesis (like the other two) but also a steep learning curve. As a first choice i might choose Omnisphere (although i sometimes wish for the more advanced synthesis of Falcon). all my opinion.
Lastly i would take the advice of el-bo and dig into Alchemy. I have V1 (PC), is one of my favorites. It is immensely powerful and easy to use (for me).
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- KVRAF
- 3951 posts since 13 Jun, 2014
As usual, people start listing off their favourite synth until it falls into complete absurdity.
Someone will likely mention Behringer Vintage soon, as a replacement to Omnisphere.
Someone will likely mention Behringer Vintage soon, as a replacement to Omnisphere.
I am a philistine and I love commercial music <insert favourite consumer items here>
- KVRAF
- 2309 posts since 10 Jul, 2008 from Orbit NE US
That's some top quality trolling there. Mostly i see good suggestions.
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- KVRist
- 438 posts since 11 Dec, 2020
Only 10 of 10.000 !!!syntonica wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 8:19 pm Second on Elektra and Icarus. I think Markus also offers one of the best copy protection schemes out there.
I also like Hive and Rapid. You might take a gander at Zebra Legacy with its crapton of presets to see if you like the sound.
While I do like the overall sound of Omni, I find 99,9% of the presets to be unusable garbage and the interface too stifling to make my own. If you're a preset pack user, then this may not bother you.
It a no sense to say that.
- KVRist
- 158 posts since 22 May, 2023
I think Equator2 qualifies as a workhorse. It's extremely flexible and sounds awesome, and if you're into MPE it's a no brainer. Would be my top choice after Omnisphere and Avenger.
- KVRAF
- 2276 posts since 25 Sep, 2014 from Specific Northwest
Nope. That's about right for me.Gam456 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 10:00 pmOnly 10 of 10.000 !!!syntonica wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 8:19 pm Second on Elektra and Icarus. I think Markus also offers one of the best copy protection schemes out there.
I also like Hive and Rapid. You might take a gander at Zebra Legacy with its crapton of presets to see if you like the sound.
While I do like the overall sound of Omni, I find 99,9% of the presets to be unusable garbage and the interface too stifling to make my own. If you're a preset pack user, then this may not bother you.
It a no sense to say that.
I started on Logic 5 with a PowerBook G4 550Mhz. I now have a MacBook Air M1 and it's ~165x faster! So, why is my music not proportionally better?