Selling my music online, any tips ?
- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 433 posts since 13 Oct, 2002 from Paris
Hi all,
Seems that this year I'll be able to work more on music and at that stage I have to think about how I want it to be distributed. Seeing the general troubles about selling stuff physical and not being that hot about going through the long way of finding a decent publisher, I would like to try something different : no publisher, no distributor apart myself, 100% online. Actually it's pretty much the same idea than selling plugs online : direct connection to the public, not a lot of customer but big margin, humanly sized business.
One solution is to build all by myself - website, communication (oh yes, and music but I guess there must allready be some specialised labels/website/shop that will allow me to do this directly and if so I would like to check them before attempting to recreate the pyramids all alone
So all the website you know that sells indie music efficiently... bring it on
Seems that this year I'll be able to work more on music and at that stage I have to think about how I want it to be distributed. Seeing the general troubles about selling stuff physical and not being that hot about going through the long way of finding a decent publisher, I would like to try something different : no publisher, no distributor apart myself, 100% online. Actually it's pretty much the same idea than selling plugs online : direct connection to the public, not a lot of customer but big margin, humanly sized business.
One solution is to build all by myself - website, communication (oh yes, and music but I guess there must allready be some specialised labels/website/shop that will allow me to do this directly and if so I would like to check them before attempting to recreate the pyramids all alone
So all the website you know that sells indie music efficiently... bring it on
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- addled muppet weed
- 106269 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 433 posts since 13 Oct, 2002 from Paris
Ok, looks interesting.
Thus I have got a few questions :
- royalty, good. What rate on a one dollar download / on a CD ? [for some reason the link is not the good one on their info pages]
- they say they do some promotion. I guess this is limited to their website or do they work with some press (possibly online), create and send presskits, etc. in some case ?
- I guess you're happy with it ?
- do they only sell CDs ? I don't want to sell CDs, just MP3/Ogg. Whatever, I still can't find any info on what they take on a MP3.
Thus I have got a few questions :
- royalty, good. What rate on a one dollar download / on a CD ? [for some reason the link is not the good one on their info pages]
- they say they do some promotion. I guess this is limited to their website or do they work with some press (possibly online), create and send presskits, etc. in some case ?
- I guess you're happy with it ?
- do they only sell CDs ? I don't want to sell CDs, just MP3/Ogg. Whatever, I still can't find any info on what they take on a MP3.
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- addled muppet weed
- 106269 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
for cds they have a base rate for a package say 9.99
you then add whatever you think say 5.00.they would then take $1 of tis 5 on top of the cost,if you charge an extra 10 they still only take 1
whatever on top of the price for package you charge they take 1$only
btw 9.99 was just an example there are a few diff prices available for diff packages
payperdownload i have to be honest i personally have never looked into so wouldnt like to give any info there sorry
as for whether im happy im about to sign up for my second year,the cd they did for me i was happy with the quality
and yes they send out press stuff/cds to a n r that kind of thing
if you email support tho the ywill answer any questions,even before you sign up.
i had a few queries when i first started thinking about it and they were only too happy to help.
far more artist friendly than most sites i visited when looking for this service,but a few new ones around these days so keep looking also i know endmusik is using one i think its called magnatune?
you then add whatever you think say 5.00.they would then take $1 of tis 5 on top of the cost,if you charge an extra 10 they still only take 1
whatever on top of the price for package you charge they take 1$only
btw 9.99 was just an example there are a few diff prices available for diff packages
payperdownload i have to be honest i personally have never looked into so wouldnt like to give any info there sorry
as for whether im happy im about to sign up for my second year,the cd they did for me i was happy with the quality
and yes they send out press stuff/cds to a n r that kind of thing
if you email support tho the ywill answer any questions,even before you sign up.
i had a few queries when i first started thinking about it and they were only too happy to help.
far more artist friendly than most sites i visited when looking for this service,but a few new ones around these days so keep looking also i know endmusik is using one i think its called magnatune?
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- KVRAF
- 7672 posts since 9 Nov, 2003 from Netherlands
Why would you want to sell compressed music when you can sell it in wav-quality?
I doubt people are really waiting for music that has undergone a deadly compression in the form of Mp3 or even Ogg
I doubt people are really waiting for music that has undergone a deadly compression in the form of Mp3 or even Ogg
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- KVRist
- 34 posts since 2 Dec, 2003 from Helsinki, Finland
IME it becomes a matter of time used to find/dl interesting stuff + saving disk space.Mystahr wrote:Why would you want to sell compressed music when you can sell it in wav-quality?
I doubt people are really waiting for music that has undergone a deadly compression in the form of Mp3 or even Ogg
The above is also a problem for the portal offering the downloads - there´s a huge difference whether people are fetching 50 Mb's of data instead of 5-8 Mb´s.
192 kbps (and even 128 kbps in some rare cases) quality mp3s -when well mixed and mastered- are so close to original wav's by the sound quality (when listened to in the usual listening environment ie. home, office... ...) that I'd rather offer good quality mp3 than wav's.
Regarding format conversions I´d recommend SoundForge as software - In my experience way the best program for this purpose.
Mika
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- KVRAF
- 7672 posts since 9 Nov, 2003 from Netherlands
You are right; he's talking about downloadable tracks. I was thinking in CD's - burn on demand.
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- addled muppet weed
- 106269 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
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- KVRAF
- 2323 posts since 4 Mar, 2004 from Portugal (Lagos)
Ampcast looks nice, but always seeemed to me a bit "crowded", and I don't think there's a solution at this point. I have a small publisher together with an american friend (we started it from nothing) and we use cafepress.com; is it better than Ampcast? Not sure. People can sell merchandising too, which is a plus in her opinion and a minus in mine (I never agreed with merchandising carrying my name). But the quality of CD's is good too. You can follow the links in my page.
Eventually something intelligent will appear written here. Watch this space.
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- KVRAF
- 2323 posts since 4 Mar, 2004 from Portugal (Lagos)
Ooops! it seems they have the server down right now
Eventually something intelligent will appear written here. Watch this space.
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atomic_(no)afro atomic_(no)afro https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=5043
- KVRian
- 622 posts since 18 Dec, 2002
Here’s my plan for making money through music on the net. Right now I'm in the process of putting together my first studio album (and I'm serious this time ). I'm thinking of going down the creative commons music/sampling license outlet (to allow my music to be spread through word of mouth easier) and just do a promotional blitz of sites like garageband, our own KVR, em411, sonicstate, sectionz, broadjam, etc. and try to get some word out about my website where I will be selling the album for $5-$10 a pop (depending on whether you want to d/l it or have it shipped on CD). I've had it with the idea of middle men cutting in on my royalties, as well as having to compete with lots of other dudes for the buyers on the same site (like on ampcast). This way, I give people a taste of my album on the site (hi quality streaming and all), and then sell it to them for a good price, letting myself walk away with a nice chunk of change in my pocket.
http://www.dollarcd.com/ looks like a pretty rocking site. $2 for a B&W printed CD-R in a jewel case with 2 page B&W booklet printing is a pretty good deal. Has anyone else dealt with this company? I'm looking for a way to get my first album out there with minimal risk while I establish by distribution networks. Although it would be cheaper at a higher quality to just do a full run CD, without a fan base it's doubtful I could ship enough of the 1,000 or more units as for it to be profitable. So this dollar CD thing, with its on-demand printing nature seems to be a less risky proposition for an aspiring producer.
ATA
http://www.dollarcd.com/ looks like a pretty rocking site. $2 for a B&W printed CD-R in a jewel case with 2 page B&W booklet printing is a pretty good deal. Has anyone else dealt with this company? I'm looking for a way to get my first album out there with minimal risk while I establish by distribution networks. Although it would be cheaper at a higher quality to just do a full run CD, without a fan base it's doubtful I could ship enough of the 1,000 or more units as for it to be profitable. So this dollar CD thing, with its on-demand printing nature seems to be a less risky proposition for an aspiring producer.
ATA
- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 433 posts since 13 Oct, 2002 from Paris
MP3/vs CD
Well, mainly because more and more people just don't want to bother with CDs anymore. The first thing they'd do is bitching about the fact they have to turn it into CD to have in their iPod and or play list. Added to that they pay way more. Plain stupid IMO, especially if you consider that an high quality ogg file is hardly different from an uncompressed version.
Of course there are the ones that prefer CDs (I am amongst them) but in that case they still have it cheaper to dl an burn by themselves. I am not against CD if it means - real - packaging, something that I don't expect to be possible for real. Anyway, as those all will try the songs on computer first, they must all have MP3's as well. So in anycase I am still in a familiar, accepted path with them.
My own plan is not completely different from atomic_afro one
Well, mainly because more and more people just don't want to bother with CDs anymore. The first thing they'd do is bitching about the fact they have to turn it into CD to have in their iPod and or play list. Added to that they pay way more. Plain stupid IMO, especially if you consider that an high quality ogg file is hardly different from an uncompressed version.
Of course there are the ones that prefer CDs (I am amongst them) but in that case they still have it cheaper to dl an burn by themselves. I am not against CD if it means - real - packaging, something that I don't expect to be possible for real. Anyway, as those all will try the songs on computer first, they must all have MP3's as well. So in anycase I am still in a familiar, accepted path with them.
My own plan is not completely different from atomic_afro one
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atomic_(no)afro atomic_(no)afro https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=5043
- KVRian
- 622 posts since 18 Dec, 2002
Thanks Red_Force, great minds think alike
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- KVRian
- 664 posts since 29 Nov, 2002 from Bury St. Edmunds, England
Funnily enough, my friend is doing this exact thing, selling the music all himself...
www.loungesoundsix.com
Okay, maybe that's a bit of a plug but seriously I am pointing out that there really is nothing to stop you setting it all up yourself and seeing what happens!
www.loungesoundsix.com
Okay, maybe that's a bit of a plug but seriously I am pointing out that there really is nothing to stop you setting it all up yourself and seeing what happens!
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- KVRAF
- 12235 posts since 18 Aug, 2003
Hey Red,
Claire Fitch was around a little while back and said her stuff was listed in a big long list of commercial music download sites by using CdBaby.
Mentioned it in this thread here.
For just CD sales, I've always been interested in Unsigned-bands.com, but I don't know anyone who has any experience with them.
Cheers,
Steve
Claire Fitch was around a little while back and said her stuff was listed in a big long list of commercial music download sites by using CdBaby.
Mentioned it in this thread here.
For just CD sales, I've always been interested in Unsigned-bands.com, but I don't know anyone who has any experience with them.
Cheers,
Steve